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Fall/ Winter King Keeper to Shaker Ratio

Postby Jamill45 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:41 pm

Hello-

This is my first season commercial trolling. I troll near Juneau. I have few questions about fall/ winter king salmon shaker to keeper/ legal ratio for other trollers in SE Alaska ?

My ratio is around 1 keeper/ legal King to 12 shakers. Is that normal? Do I need to just keep fishing the same and sort through the shakers? Fish deeper?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Fall/ Winter King Keeper to Shaker Ratio

Postby Lulu » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:25 am

Generally, the bigger fish will be below and or behind the smaller fish. Predatory fish segment themselves based on size. The little guys don't want to become lunch for there bigger sister. What I'll do when I get in a patch of shakers is drop the gear 10 fathoms (if I can) and take off 2 spreads. If that doesn't work, try to figure out which direction the school is moving and go the opposite direction. There are bigger fish in the area. You just have to find them and save next years catch.
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Re: Fall/ Winter King Keeper to Shaker Ratio

Postby John Murray » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:14 am

I've noticed in Sitka Sound shakers move out as we get later into Oct..Then as fall turns into winter you hardly encounter shakers.Late winter zip,as all those 27 and a half fish have grown to legal size or the fish segregate or something.
You might try flatting the barbs on your hooks,I think that helps on small guys or don't run bait cause smaller fish seem to love that.
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Re: Fall/ Winter King Keeper to Shaker Ratio

Postby Jamill45 » Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:17 am

Thank you for the advice. I was getting worried about that 12 to 1 ratio being to high and that I was doing something detrimental to the fishery.
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Re: Fall/ Winter King Keeper to Shaker Ratio

Postby carojae » Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:39 pm

12 to 1 ratio seems extreme. Don't know if I've ever seen that on the northern end.
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Re: Fall/ Winter King Keeper to Shaker Ratio

Postby Salty » Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:24 pm

I go to plugs, and large hootchies and speed up. Shakers love bait. Sometimes you can fish under them as they are usually in the top 50 fathoms.
1-1 is too high. I move, change gear or depth if I encounter more than 1 shaker to 5 keepers. 12 shakers to one keeper is totally unacceptable.
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Re: Fall/ Winter King Keeper to Shaker Ratio

Postby JKD » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:40 am

I refuse to work in an area that is producing only sub-legals, and your ratio seems to be very high. In my experience, I would agree with what others have posted - deeper seems to be better for size, and bait is a no-no if there are shakers around.
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Re: Fall/ Winter King Keeper to Shaker Ratio

Postby Salty » Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:46 pm

Like, JKD
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Re: Fall/ Winter King Keeper to Shaker Ratio

Postby Salty » Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:47 pm

Like, John Murray. I agree totally.
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Re: Fall/ Winter King Keeper to Shaker Ratio

Postby Lulu » Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:05 pm

JKD said it best. Leave the little guys alone. Stack the gear and run. You're killing next year's fish, wasting time, and money.
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Re: Fall/ Winter King Keeper to Shaker Ratio

Postby Salty » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:20 pm

Agree Lulu.
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Re: Fall/ Winter King Keeper to Shaker Ratio

Postby Jamill45 » Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:15 pm

Thank you all for the help. I had a strong hunch that that ratio wasn't right so that's why I started asking for the advice. It's much appreciated and I don't want be doing anything detrimental to the fishery.
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Re: Fall/ Winter King Keeper to Shaker Ratio

Postby Salty » Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:44 am

Right on Jamill45.
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Re: Fall/ Winter King Keeper to Shaker Ratio

Postby Lulu » Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:54 am

Jamill45, thanks to technology which allows forums like this, you're able to learn faster than the 20+ years of mistakes and hard knocks it took me. Thanks for asking
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